Host: Welcome back to another episode of Between 2 Servers my name is Hayden Baillio I'm your host and I'm here with Kate Hasselhoff.

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Host: Kate what does it feel like to have a famous dad

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Guest: Uh I'm not actually a Hasselhoff

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Host: Andrew I thought you said this was gonna be Hasselhoff's daughter!

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Host: Oh, whatever. Oh I see it now right here you're an industry analyst with Redmonk.

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Guest: I am

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Host: is that what happens when academia doesn't work out or was explaining obvious things to executives always your dream job?

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Guest: Sometimes people need a little help. Uh we talked to a lot of really interesting folks at Redmonk and uh....a lot of really great developers and yeah axes you know academia isn't for everyone.....

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Host: repetition is keyI guess. You have expertise in scrum best practices is that like being an expert in making meetings that should take five minutes last exactly 15 or what?

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Guest: Making successful teams, I feel like it's an important aspiration.

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Host: Hmm aspiration, I took an aspiration this morning

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Host: I had a headache.

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Host: You taught writing at several East Coast universities before tech how does it feel knowing your students now make twice your salary writing API documentation.

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Guest: It's sobering but I've come to terms with it.

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Host: Your bio mentions you're an affiliated researcher at Georgia Tech is that academic speak for they let me use the library Wi-Fi sometimes?

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Guest: That's exactly what it means and I've got an email address.

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Host: oh a dot edu huh

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Guest: dot edu

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Host: As someone who analyzes the tech industry what's your process just reading Hacker News and rephrasing it with longer words or is there more to it

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Guest: I mean I asked permission to quote Hacker News you know from the users. Uh, there's a lot of blogs out there, I'm more of a podcast buff but, uh yeah, that's about the long and the short of it.

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Host: you have to cite things

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Guest: oh absolutely

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Host: yeah

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Guest: yeah

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Host: And you would know cause you have a PhD

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Guest: I do

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Host: Our first PhD....why do you not go by Doctor Hasselhoff

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Guest: I do sometimes. You could call me Doctor Holterhoff if you like.

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Host: Doctor Hasselhoff

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Host: You're offering advice on creating pitch decks, is that because your PowerPoint skills are the only transferable part of your academic career?

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Guest: There's an element of that. Yeah I mean. It's important I've seen some bad pitch decks. Engineers aren't always the best pitch deck assemblers.

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Host: this is...this is accurate

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Host: Nothing like a Powerpoint to tell a great story.

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Host: As someone from Redmond explaining what analysts do isn't that a bit like asking a fortune teller to explain the scientific method

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Guest: I see where you're going with that but I'd like to think at Redmonk we do things a little bit different from say the Gardners and the ibcs of the world.

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Host: What would you say is the biggest difference?

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Guest: Well uh, you know we're developer-focused, so we care what the developers are up to and what practitioners, uh, are thinking and adopting, and I would say it is noteworthy that at a developer conference like Devnexus. Uh, I haven't seen any other industry analyst in attendance it's just me.

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Host: I would say that in the OSS world, I hear the name Red Monk a lot. So.

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Host: Your talk is a TLDR for the perplexed is that because developers can't make it through your 30 page reports without falling asleep or because you've written to be deliberately vague

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Guest: I would say we don't do white papers or Redmonk. Uh, we are conversational but highly educated and I get asked what an analyst is uh every time I bring up my job.

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Host: What a soft flex, highly educated PhD from Carnegie Mellon

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Guest: It's a hard flex!

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Host: So, it is so hard. Okay all right, this, its my show thank you

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Host: Last last question Kate.

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Host: What is your, what is the favorite movie that your dad's made?

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Guest: It's not a movie it's Night Rider!

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Host: That is the correct answer to that question. Well thank you so much Kate for being on between two servers.